#81 Ken Honda | Happy Money. The Japanese art of Gratitude, Generosity, and Money Mindset

Ken Honda is a renowned Japanese author and speaker celebrated for his personal finance and happiness expertise. Known as the "Zen Millionaire," he combines Eastern philosophies with practical financial advice to help individuals find peace and abundance. Ken has written over 50 books, including the bestseller "Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace with Your Money," which explores transforming one's emotional relationship with money into a source of joy. His latest book, "True Wealth," delves into redefining wealth beyond material possessions, including emotional and spiritual prosperity. Ken Honda inspires people worldwide to achieve financial well-being and personal happiness through his writing and seminars.

Jesper first encountered Ken Honda through "Maro Up," co-authored with Janet Attwood. This book explores the Japanese concept of Maro, which signifies an open-hearted and generous spirit. Inspired by Wahei Takeda's philosophies, it delves into how embracing gratitude, kindness, and emotional intelligence can lead to greater happiness and success.

🗓️ Recorded August 6th, 2024. 📍 Pointe aux Oies, France

Links for this episode

• https://kenhonda.com/
• https://www.instagram.com/happykenhonda/
• https://www.youtube.com/@kenhondaofficial
• https://www.facebook.com/kenhondahappymoney/
• https://www.thepassiontest.com/maro-up

Chapters

• 0:00 The Power of Gratitude and Generosity
• 18:02 Overcoming Financial Stress Through Gratitude
• 29:32 Lessons on Wealth, Relationships, and Happiness
• 42:25 Emotional Intelligence and Money Mindset

Transcript

00:00 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Today we are together with the wonderful Ken Honda. First of all, ken, thanks a lot for sharing your time with us here today. 

00:07 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Thank you so much. Hey, hey, and tak, tak, yes, yes. 

00:12 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
I fell in love with Denmark. 

00:14 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Last year, you know, I did a seminar in Copenhagen and you have such a beautiful country, so I really enjoyed it, and the people are very nice too. 

00:24 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
Yes, yeah, yeah. 

00:29 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
The dates are pretty open minded. So, ken, I have had the pleasure, but I don't think you remember all the people on the Zoom call. I've been on a small Zoom call together with you at one point, together with Janet Atwood, as I've been her international marketing director for five or six years and. I've been called with Vahe Takeda, who is. 

00:54 - Ken Honda (Guest)
You've written the book Maru Up together with her so you're my family yes, part of the whole Passages family. Thank you so much for helping Janet, and she's my sister, as you know, and so I'd be happy to help you in any way I can. Oh, thank you, thank you. 

01:14 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
The help today is to talk about your work, but if we could start about Maro Up and if you can explain that phrase you brought to the world together with Janet and the book. 

01:29 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Yes, yes. So Maro is a word that my mentor, wahe Takeda, made. It's an abbreviation of Magokoro, which means sincerity. So that means that if you have a sincere heart, and then you're just raising, not only you're raising yourself, and also you're raising other people. Your generosity and your kindness speaks to other people's heart. So Wahe always focused on giving and sharing, and generosity focused on giving and sharing and generosity. So that's why I've learned so much from Wahei Takeda, and Maro is always something that I pay my attention all my life and I'm just following her, following him, his steps, and also following her meaning Janet Atwood as well. 

02:28 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
So I was thinking of her so and for the people who don't know Wahei, then he's sometimes called the, or often referred to as the Warren Buffett of Japan, one of the wealthiest men and biggest investors who lived. He's unfortunately not with us anymore, but the book you wrote shared some profound knowledge for me about gratefulness, about how you cannot be both grateful and not grateful at the same time, which I tried to use it in dire times in my life where I was like everything was not okay and then exercises were just sitting and being grateful. And it's really difficult to be angry if you're sitting and being grateful, and it's really difficult to be angry if you're sitting and being grateful for life um and so so thanks a lot is it from your book? 

03:34 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
my husband also often says you can't hold two emotions at the same time. Yes, yes is that one of your sentences? 

03:45 - Ken Honda (Guest)
yes, um, that's my mentor used to say. Uh, you cannot be angry at the same time appreciate somebody. So you know, if you just appreciate somebody, you cannot be upset or you cannot worry about money if you're appreciating the money you have. So he has a special trick to take off of your focus, from worry and anxiety and frustration and from that to appreciation, so he can appreciate just a little tiny thing, and then he can blow it up and then, as if the heaven on earth is right here. So he was always smiling and it was very contagious. So I still enjoy his smile and his smile is in my heart. So I want to live like him in a way that I can keep smiling all the time. 

04:46 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
Yeah, I'm just thinking about so if your heart or your mind is full of worry and anxiety. Money is a big deal that people worry a lot about and there's a lot of fear around money. This trick you cannot be full of worry and full of gratefulness at the same time. I feel like when I'm coaching people it doesn't click immediately. It's like you have to tip the balance so you can be grateful, but then the worry takes over like dragon coming and then you have to be grateful again and again and then you blow it up. It's not like it's not the flip of a switch until you learn it. 

05:38 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Yeah, it's like a little practice, because we as a human being want to make sure, subconsciously, that we have food. So, uh, the super positive people may end up on the street because you know, okay, money will fall, you know, okay, I'll be fine, but, uh, you have to make sure that food is on the table. So, worrying helps prepare for rainy days. So, in that sense, since cave age, cave time, we humans were constantly worried about the food. So now we're. Instead of food, we constantly worry about money. It's the same thing, tied up with our own survival. So we have to trick our mind. Otherwise our survival instinct tells us that we should be on alert mode all the time. These days, no animals would attack us, but we fear that we'll be out of food. So for us, not only just out of food, out of money, it's just the end of our life. So that's why we worry. But once we know that there are so many great ways that we can get food on the table or survival, then we need to worry less. For example, even though if you don't have any money, if your friend has money and he's a good friend, you'll be okay. 

07:19
So I always thought of Wahe. He said Ken, do whatever you want. If you mess up, if you fail, I'm going to take care of you. That was a big relief for me Because you know, if I just fail financially or fail at my work, and then somebody will watch my back, and you know, the reason why I'm not afraid of money or life is that I have so many friends who support my back. That means that they'll take care of me. So even though I have no money, no food, I'm OK because I have all the friends who are going to bring food for me. 

07:58
So if you just know that, even though you have a money problem, but if you have friends that you can rely on, you don't need to worry about it. And if you don't have friends, just start making one. And also, you have to learn how to be vulnerable and ask for help. And if you ask for help, people will support you, and there are more kind, generous people out there in the world than you think. So I think being vulnerable, asking for support and just willing to depend on somebody is a skill we need. To be happy, yeah. 

08:37 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
But maybe also to be the somebody In our life. That's a big deal. We are always, you know, inviting people over and sharing what we have. If we have a lot, we can share a lot. If we don't have a lot, we we just share that. We can always have five more people for dinner. We'll just share the food that we happen to have. 

09:01
It's it's not it's and I find I'm not saying this to like put myself on but I feel it's a big part of our of creating community to be the helpful and generous person. It's share, it's so nice to share, and my experience also is we travel the world and we move around all the time. My experience is everybody loves to share what they have and share their knowledge, share their local information. Maybe you know, so often someone just walks up to us. We live in a van and we're a lot of people six people in a van and so often people walk up to us and like, oh, oh, you look like such a happy family. Why don't you come over to my house and wash your clothes and have a shower? 

09:48
Nice, just someone you never met before. And if you say no, you're kind of rude, because people want to share what they have. Do you think it's? I don't know. I think it's part of human thriving to share. Yes. 

10:05 - Ken Honda (Guest)
I think it's buried in our genes. You know, I was told about this story when I was 19. So, like 35, six years ago, and my mentor said you can test if you are courageous. Test it for a year, depend on people's generosity 100%. And I thought, okay, I'll take up the challenge. So I went to the United States of America for one year without speaking much English and I depended on people's generosity. I spent entire year, from age 19 to 20. I traveled around North America without paying anything. I just ask people you know strangers that I can stay with them. And then they were so nice, they fed me. They just, you know, put me on the couch, sometimes nice bed, they fed me. So not only I didn't need to spend money, I gained weight In America people fed me well. 

11:14
So, and that year is such a big impact on me because I know people are nice, people are generous, so I want to do the same thing. So you know, whenever I just find young people, young tourists from outside of Japan, I always take them out for lunch and dinner, and especially Americans. If they're just I find Americans okay, you know, american people are especially nice. I have to buy you some dinner. So I think that generosity circulates. I think you're such loving people. That's why people just want to help you. So I think, accepting support you said you know it would be rude if you say no right, so people are so nice. 

12:01
So just by receiving support you're actually giving are so nice. So just by receiving support you're actually giving, you know you're getting your neighbor the joy of just letting you stay for dinner, and it's always fun to have guests on, you know, on the table. So I think you're doing such a great uh trip, you know, I hope you you'll come to japan if you're a friend of janet, can. Can, honda, you have so many places? 

12:28 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
to stay. We will. We would love to get it's on the list it's on the list. But sometimes I I've heard myself saying to friends when people wanted to offer them something and they said, no, I can't take it. I can't take that. I said. But then you are taking away the gift of giving yes and that's not fair. 

12:49
It, as cecilia said, would be rude. It actually is a gift to be in a position where you can give, because sometimes you have nothing, then you can only give your relationship, your being present. But if you have something you, you have the gift of giving. I wanted to go to Happy Money, which is a wonderful book you have written, thank you, and there is something I'm still trying to wrap my head around, which is why should I be happy when I use money? 

13:26 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Yes, I asked the same question to Wahe, especially when I pay taxes. Oh yes, just couldn't. You know, I understand that when you have a nice dinner, I can really say thank you for dinner, thank you for your service. If I get a good massage, I say thank you. So dinner, thank you for your service. If I get a good massage, I say thank you so much for a beautiful service. 

13:47
But taxes they're, they're not doing things right, they're wasting it. They're just doing some bad, bad stuff with tax money, right. So well, hey, how can I be happy, how can I, how can I pay taxes and keep smiling? And he said with a big smile do you have a choice of not paying? I said probably not. So if you don't have a choice, you're not going to pay. Then you can pay with a smile or you can pay with grudges. Which one do you want? And I said okay. And then I made up my mind whatever happens, if it's a must I have to do, I'll do it out of joy. So I always think of people who my tax money are going to support. So my tax money is definitely helping. You know few families and single, single mom or single father household you know like um, as a uh compensation for medical supplies and all the other things. So I always just imagine in a positive way that my tax money is spent in a nicer thing. So since then I really find it so much fun and, roughly speaking, I get a little bit less than half the money that I earn. So after taxes, everything is mine. So that means I have enough money, you know, every month or every day, so I can appreciate the fact that I have all the money in the world. 

15:34
And also Japan is doing something right. You know, japan is a peaceful, safe country. Five-year-old girl can walk up to the subway station and she goes to school by herself. If she gets lost, she can grab any adults in the train and just ask for directions. And it's perfectly fine because police is functioning and people are very generous. I have dropped my iPhones and like wallet a few times in my life and they always returned. So I get a call from police saying sir, you know, ken, you're Ken Honda, your wallet is in the police station, please come and pick it up. And then you know it's very rare that something bad happens. So I really appreciate for the opportunity to be here. So for that. You know I'm happy to pay taxes. So if you can feel that, if you don't have a choice, do you want to do that with a smile? Or do you want to do that with oh, I don't want to pay, yeah, our choice. 

16:52 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
And before the call we talked a little about me and Cecilia, about some of the questions we wanted to ask you, and one of them is where do you think our money beliefs come from? A lot of people have this contraction about using money. They don't feel good about it and often not happy. And also, I think in your book you mentioned that if you also are paying a debt or if you are paying mortgages on your house, someone has trusted you at some point. Yeah, be able to pay back and then you can pay and say thank you for trusting in me. But why do you think there is this negative energy for people around using money normally if they haven't turned it around in them? 

17:45 - Ken Honda (Guest)
I think it's because we have this victim mentality that somebody is trying to take advantage of us. You know, if you have a money problem, it's because of you not making enough money or spending too much. So if you earn more money and if you can manage the money well, every month you have a certain money left and so you don't have to feel stressful. But because of the marketing plans and you know, there's always a better iPhones, better clothes, better something and then you feel the need and pressure to buy, buy, buy. So that's why we have money related stress. So if you make enough money and then if you have a good spending habits, then you have no stress. So if you are feeling a stress and then if you feel like you're spending too much, my gift of affirmation would be if I don't buy it today, am I going to die tomorrow? 

18:50 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
So often not. 

18:54 - Ken Honda (Guest)
So if it's like rice or bread and if you're skinny, you need to buy the food, otherwise you're going to die. But oftentimes we don't have the money but we want to buy it. So we have to take control of our greed and neediness and thirst, that we want to do something and then we can find financial peace. Do something and then we can find financial peace. But we always feel like there is a list of things I want to buy and limited resources. That's why people feel stress. If you are making enough money and then if you don't have any thirst or hunger to spend money, then you have no stress or hunger to spend money, then you have no stress. 

19:41 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
To be honest, ken, we live a very good life. We have been able to support ourselves for many, many years and the last six years as digital nomads, and every month we earn more than we use. But I still can feel the fear and I can still, in periods, periods, feel the first of using, and sometimes if I start using, if I start buying something, then it's like I get more thirsty. It's like the first is not settled. I just want. Right now I needed a new bag, or I needed a new bag in my mind for my computer, and then I want to buy more. I was on Amazon buying it and I saw all these other things and I can actually feel the hunger of buying and I would love to be able to control that better. So how do you work with this? 

20:38 - Ken Honda (Guest)
So how do you work with this? So you know, you have to know that we always compare with other people. You know, I once interviewed a person who just had a few public companies, and then that means like he's worth millions of dollars, right. And I interviewed him how do you feel to be wealthy? And he thought for a moment and he said I don't think I'm wealthy. Like wow, I was surprised because he has like a big office, hundreds of people working for him, his company is listed, so at least he's worth millions of dollars. And I asked him if you're not wealthy, who's wealthy? And he said I have a friend who has a private jet. And then I asked a person with a private jet and I asked him the same question and he said I'm not wealthy. 

21:33
I always feel small when I pull over to this special security terminal and then compare with my jets and the jet and the other jets. My jet is so tiny and the other jets are huge, so I feel I'm not wealthy at all. That's what he was saying. My plane only seats six people, the other ones 400 people, so I'm just a small guy. Six people, the other ones 400 people. So I'm just a small guy. 

22:04
So and then some people are very happy with, uh, just a small house and like four clothes. I have only like four pairs of shoes. I could probably buy a little more, but I'm okay, you know, I don't need and I and I somehow I have only black shoes, you know, and I'm okay. So some people just don't have the habit of satisfying themselves. So it's the same thing. It's a fame, it's a sexual need or whatever that is. Or do you feel I have more than enough? Do you feel like I have the right amount? You feel I have more than enough? Do you feel like I have the right amount, unless you have this, you know, feeling that I'm content, I have more than enough. Otherwise, you feel like, oh, I should buy two more computers, I should get a new car, I should get a new something, and then there's no end end. 

23:01 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
So I'm thinking about somehow it has to do with the ego yeah, it has to do with this basic. 

23:11
You know, the ego wants to survive, the ego wants to be bigger than everyone else and and I was just wondering the ego somehow goes to the back seat. If you choose to be grateful, it's a bigger self that's grateful than the ego. And I think all of these commercials, I mean, in this modern world we are bombarded with input that wants us to spend money and we're all just human, we have the same psychological setup, more or less, and and and, bombarded with like five, ten thousand commercials a day. Of course we'll be affected, but but this effect, I think, is on the ego. So if we can remove ourselves a little bit from this ego, vibe, and and be, and then we're back to the beginning here with the, the gratefulness, and you said something. Did you say you change the vibe or you lift the energy? What was your wording? It? 

24:15 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
was was the maro. 

24:17 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Yeah, it's a maro Maro. Is this raising up your vibration? So if you just train yourself to be happy with a little thing, and then you can be happy, no matter what 20, you know, after the trip from US, I went to the Philippines and I helped local farmers to grow their, to harvest the sugar canes, which is a tough work, and I spent a few days and I asked, you know, the farmers, let us, like Japanese students, stay at their home. And the first thing I said is like where is a toilet? And he first thing I said is like where is a toilet? And he was smiling and said, oh, anywhere. You know, he was showing the forest, he can go there or there. 

25:10
And then what? And I asked them so the shower, or like a hot bath? And he just pointed to the river and so it was so cold, even though the hot country is hot, but the river water is so cold. So after the few days, you know which was fun, it's like a camping out I so appreciated the hot, running shower. You know, after a few days of not no shower, and I think, if you're living in this or not bad, do you appreciate some, you know, after a few days of not no shower and I think if you're living in this you appreciate some. 

25:42
You know flat bed, you know like you can roll over whatever that is and then we realize that we can appreciate, uh, for life, for so little things. So hot running water is one thing, like electricity and all the other small things. So if we train ourselves to be able to appreciate just a little tiny thing for me a hot shower is a luxury. So about that is like I'm like royal families, right, so uh, and then I have a luxurious lifestyle, um so, but at the same time I I can, I know how to satisfy myself. So, uh, last, uh, I came back from a world, uh, world tour, my book tour, and I flew first class, business class and economy class. 

26:32
I just kind of challenge myself can I be happy with whatever? You know I can enjoy first class and I can enjoy economy class. You know, if I can feel no difference, I pass the test and then I realize that I can. I get to enjoy for the first class, luxury, business class room and also I'm okay with the economy class. So you know your attitude that you enjoy with less is so fun, it's like a little game. So if you have a financial problem you should play with that game and then, if you just can take control of your finance, you can focus on, um, appreciating more. So whatever appreciate, uh appreciates, so at the same time, uh you can appreciate with less. So that is a very zen attitude I learned from Wahe. 

27:40 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
We should also talk about your new book. You just returned from a world tour. Can you tell a little about the book? 

27:49 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Yes, actually I have it with me. It's called True. Well, it's about a grandfather who leaves nine letters to his grandson. So it's a novel I published five years in Japan and we sold 100,000 copies in Japanese. And now it's in English package from his grandfather's lawyer. And then he just finds a letter and in the letter the grandfather says I'm so sorry, I donated all the money to charity, so you're not going to get a penny from me, but instead I left nine letters in the package, so read it when you feel it's the right time to read. And then each letter has a title. The first letter is titled synchronicity, and then the second letter, decision, the third one, intuition, action, money, work, failure, relationships and destiny. So he opens one letter and then something happens he gets guided by synchronicity and then travels around the world. So I just put it in a novel format so people can enjoy. Uh, all the important lessons that you need to learn to be happy and abundant nice. 

29:18 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Yeah, I look forward to it. 

29:20 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
I want to read it. 

29:21 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Why did you choose the novel format, ken? Because you have sold for I don't know how many million books you're up to now worldwide. Last time I checked is it more than eight or ten millions, or even more? 

29:34 - Ken Honda (Guest)
It's almost nine million copies. But people remember stories. That's why I wrote the story. Yeah, so I enjoy reading stories and I'm a storyteller. So, through the mouth of a grandfather to his grandson, he just wants to teach important lessons. So a lot of people just give these books to their grandkids. They say, like, read this book, it's a gift from me, and then they leave them out of the will. They will get no money. 

30:07
Yeah so you know there are two kinds of different assets. I call it visible asset and also invisible asset. That means like visible asset and also invisible asset. That means like visible asset is money, real estate, cars and all that, and invisible asset is something that you cannot see. For example, friendship, trust, bond, heart-to-heart connection. Those things are something you cannot see, but it's so important. 

30:41
You know money is important, but I think when you die you don't think like, oh, I wish I'd made more money. You know, we kind of remember all the fun things with our family members, the little thing with the puppies and, you know, wife and the husband and kids and grandmother. I think all the fun memories are kind of like just visiting you before you pass. And grandmother, I think all the fun memories are kind of like just visiting you before you pass. That's how I think. And then nobody thinks like I wish I'd spent more time in my office, you know. And so that way I think what's important to us is so forgotten because we're tied up with everyday life. 

31:24
So instead of focusing on work, we can focus on the most important, which is invisible asset, and oftentimes invisible asset is something you cannot see. So we forgot, we take it for granted, the love and the generosity and sometimes, like you know, there's this kind person, but we often under appreciate the value of generosity and kindness. I think in 10 or 20 years from now, kind person will be more respected. Generous person will be more respected. Generous person will be more respected. You know, right now, unfortunately, people who have this skill of making money and doing the right job or like time efficient way, they are well respected. So even though they may not be functioning as a great worker, but if they're so kind and generous, I think it's highly more. I think they are more valuable than the people who just function as a robot to me. But unfortunately we don't value a generosity and kindness as much as we appreciate money in a bank account. 

32:45 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
In the Bible it says you have to collect your treasures in the heavens, not on earth, and I think the point is exactly the same. You know, the real treasures are not made of gold. They are made of relationships and love and memories, and beauty, and maybe health as well. And right he's of mind, those are the true. To have the time to have a conversation with your children yes, sorry, go on. 

33:15 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Yes, yes please. 

33:17 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
No, I'm just saying my stepfather. So we were five children in the family with my biological mom and my stepfather, and he always said the rich people have a lot of money, I have a lot of children. And it was just a nice little thing. He said, you know, when we sometimes just had rice and tomato for dinner or whatever you know, didn't matter so much because we had each other. 

33:42 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
I love the story but at the same time it reminds me of something I've been thinking about, which you maybe also have met, Ken that sometimes it seems like that people are putting what they call rich people in a category of evil, and I've been considering if it's because, oh, these rich people I'm considering, is it because, maybe, that they then feel I cannot be like them and I won't be like them because they are gruesome or they must have made their money in a bad way? I see some reverse kind of jealousy maybe, or maybe an excuse for not feeling you have enough in your life. I'm not sure. 

34:36 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Yes, we kind of wish that wealthy people are unhappy, terrible, mean people, but there are some very happy wealthy people are unhappy, terrible, mean people, but there are some very happy wealthy people too. So it's nothing to do with your wealth, you know. It's like the health is the same thing. There are happy and also healthy people who are wealthy too. So you know, so it's our choice. Do you want? Do you want? Do you want to be healthy and wealthy and happy? You can be become one and. But if you want to be happy and healthy, so sorry, I don't need the wealth. You know, like we can choose, I can. I can take all three or I just only health part. You know, okay, I will choose a life with many friends, no need for money, no need for work. You know, some people are like that. So I think we're given a choice. 

35:30 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
So if you want to be healthy, wealthy, happy, I think that's achievable too and I think the thing you said before about you know lots of people want to talk about, they feel that they know lots of people want to talk about, they feel that they're not wealthy and they want to talk about more wealthy people. In a mean way, it's the ego at play again. The ego wants to make these judgments and they want to. You know, present yourself in a better way by this comparison. 

35:57
You are morally better, it's the same trick you know get the ego out of the picture, Give it what it needs, Put it in the back seat and take charge with your whatever you want to call it Eternal soul. Yeah. 

36:12 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Before we started traveling full time, we invited people to live with us, to share our house. 

36:19 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
People kind of do that. 

36:22 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
We do that still. Right now we have a young american friend, a friend of our children, traveling with us for four months, sharing everything, yeah, and it's just wonderful to be, even though it's a small space. 

36:36 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
We live in a seven meter van five people and we invited one more you're living. 

36:42 - Ken Honda (Guest)
You're living like a japanese person. 

36:44 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
Yeah maybe, yeah, very small, but then you're together, which I really like. That's not. I can always hear everybody else and we're, we're together and I love that, um, but but I I came to think about what is. We have been invited to live some wonderful places. One of the most extreme ones were we have a friend who have a castle in France and he said just come and live with me, and that was a nice gift. And another one who have this house overlooking the cliffs in Spain, with infinity pool and everything. 

37:25 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
And looking at the Mediterranean I I think is more cool than the cliffs, yeah. 

37:30 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
But sometimes I've considered what is it? They get out of it and it is. And then I think back to when we had people coming to our house. You get the stories. You get the connection you house. You get the stories. You get the connection. You get life you get the friendship. You get the friendship, and that is so valuable. 

37:51 - Ken Honda (Guest)
That's so beautiful. The continuing trip in Asia. 

37:57 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
We plan to do that. 

37:58 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
I promise, when is Japan? 

38:01 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
We will figure it out. It's on the list for sure. 

38:03 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
If you are, I promise, when is Japan we? 

38:05 - Ken Honda (Guest)
will figure it out. It's on the list for sure. Yeah, if you are, when the right time comes, just let me know. I can arrange like a little tour and then just they're nice people, so they're just you know they'll pass. 

38:18 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
That would be wonderful, ken, if people want to. So all this knowledge. You have given so much to the world in terms of your books. You have held a lot of people through your books and now this latest one, true World, in the novel form. But if people want to know more, how do they find you, kent? How do they get to work deeper with the knowledge? How do they find you, kent? How? 

38:44 - Ken Honda (Guest)
do they get to work deeper with the knowledge? Yes, there's this free online community called Arigato Living Community. You can join us for a free membership and then you can find all the information at k Hondacom, and if you Google Ken Honda on YouTube, there are so many videos that I teach. So most of them, all the information, are free. So you can check your money personality type. You get to find if you're a spender, moneymaker, warrior and, you know, gambler, that kind of thing. So I'm just so happy to share what I know with the world. So I hope you learn more about money, iq, money, eq, and then transform your relationship with money. If you could, you really change your life and even though you make the same amount of money, you feel very different. 

39:43 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
So I hope you just um enjoy money more I'm sure, I'm sure there's a lot of gold there and in my experience also. Really it's funny because there's this toxic relation with money. But I've in my experience, people's relation with money has a lot of dude with to do with their relation to themselves and to their personal story. So if you start unraveling with your money relation, your situation and emotions around money, you actually get a very deep personal transformation. I highly recommending starting in that corner. Yeah, yeah so, and I'm pretty sure that starting with ken honda would be absolutely good hack it's about for us to round up the episode. 

40:37 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
We try to keep them around 45 minutes. You briefly mentioned money, iq and EQ, and I would love to give that explanation for the people listening, if you can. 

40:51 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Yeah, money IQ is financial intelligence, stock investing, tax laws. Money EQ is emotional intelligence how happy you are with money. If your relationship is happy, then you're a happy life. So you can learn about money emotion side. So, because we have so much anger, frustration, anxiety around money. So by releasing guilt, by releasing shame, by cleansing all the negative feelings, you can see what money is truly. Money is just a simple energy. When we project bad stuff, money becomes evil. When we put good stuff, money becomes an angel. It's up to you. Money becomes such a nice, happy angel for you by learning about emotional intelligence. 

41:49 - Jesper Conrad (Host)
I think that's a wonderful place for the episode. I recommend everybody to likewise, go to KenHondacom and get to know Ken even more there, read the books and see the videos on YouTube. Thanks a lot for your time, ken. 

42:09 - Ken Honda (Guest)
Thank you so much. And we'll stay in touch. 

42:12 - Cecilie Conrad (Host)
Yeah, we will.